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Post by UnknownTerritory on Jan 6, 2012 23:05:02 GMT -5
IQ relates to natural intelligence, not book-smarts. Your IQ never changes from the day you are born.
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Post by Memai on Jan 6, 2012 23:58:42 GMT -5
Kisa brings up a good point.
WHY is he that smart anyway? And anyway, when exactly in the RP is he going to start showing off how intelligent he is? Nerds and more academic students would be that smart because they devote their time and energy on studying and NOT growing up in ghettos selling drugs.
I don't even see why he has to be that smart, aside from the fact that you want him to be bad-ass in every which way. I would've let it slide, but you didn't really come up with an explanation for why he's that intelligent. You said so yourself in his profile, he himself doesn't have a proper education. So how did he make up for the lost time at school? Did he crack open a book and go to night classes? Did someone more sensible in his family sit him down and tutor him? Was he born with it?
Terry also pointed out that genius-level IQ begins at 140, Nick's is apparently at 143. That still counts him as a genius. Or intelligent in a way that not many other people can understand. BUT WHY?
I mean, sure, fine, make him smart. But we have to know why. And when exactly he'd use that smarts in the RP. Because otherwise, it would just seem like an accessory trait that just makes *MUCH* more awesome. And perhaps a little Sueish.
EDIT TO ADD: We're not trying to egg you on, but every time we ask for explanations you just sort of skirt around the issue. That's not cool man. This is a roleplay where you're playing with a few other people, not a fanfiction, where certain things can go unexplained.
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Post by professorpineapple on Jan 7, 2012 0:39:12 GMT -5
Seconding what Mems said - there really isn't any reason for him to be a genius. Especially considering he's already got pretty high physical stats. It's rare for people to be that smart AND that strong IRL, and completely unheard of in the Bullyverse. Most characters either have one or the other, so it's unfair to give him both without any good reason.
He doesn't necessarily have to be the best at everything in order to be a good character. Think Jimmy Hopkins - he was able to take over the school, though he was never portrayed as being particularly bright. He got by using street smarts. Or even Chaplin, who's all muscle, but a dopey jock and, if I'm not mistaken, a little naive. Despite that, Chaplin is still a unique, well-rounded character.
Hell, Stevie is a decent character, and he's neither smart nor strong. He depends on manipulation and general indifference to survive at Bullworth, and it suits him just fine. Stats aren't what makes a character good, it's the way they're written, and how they interract with others.
Just my two cents.
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Post by nick on Jan 7, 2012 9:44:34 GMT -5
Earlier someone said how they like that he's poor, uneducated and all but still smart. The reason I put him as so intelligent is because he's poor and uneducated. He doesn't know shit, but can probably beat everyone at Bullworth in chess, or any other game where you have to think.
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Post by Memai on Jan 7, 2012 9:50:49 GMT -5
Yes, but we were all under the assumption that he was street smart and used more common sense than the average street dweller.
Not a fucking genius.
But when you elaborated and actually plotted the numbers down, that's when things become sketchy. He can be smart, but needs reason to be. Or at least HOW he became so smart in the first place.
Edit to add:
Here's a better idea. Since you're so reluctant to actually give us any reasons or what not, why don't you actually write it out in the RPs? And I don't mean throwing Nick into the sidelines waiting to fight a character he shouldn't be fighting with in the first place. I mean outright interacting with someone and actually conversing.
You know, role playing.
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Post by professorpineapple on Jan 7, 2012 10:16:04 GMT -5
^Seconding this.
If you toss him into the RP, it may be easier to understand why he is the way he is. Or, you may find that some of the traits you've given him don't quite work the way you'd anticipated, and he'll be tweaked a bit.
It was like that with Stevie - he came off as one way in his original profile, but after a year of RPing, he's evolved considerably. You'd be surprised at the changes characters can go through when they interact with one another.
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Post by nick on Jan 7, 2012 11:54:58 GMT -5
Alright, I'll write something up soon. I imagined him not as a prodigy, but his IQ in terms of logic and tactics. He would excel in chess, for example, because it requires strategy and he's genius in that field. As for other things, he isn't an excellent painter, he isn't a musical prodigy, he doesn't know almost anything about history, geography, biology, or anything from textbooks. He is just a strategist.
Right now I can't write anything but will do soon.
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Post by nick on Jan 8, 2012 12:23:05 GMT -5
I think I'm gonna scrap this and start from scratch. Now I don't know should I simply replace this character or create a new one separately.
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Post by Dream Of Rose Petals on Jan 8, 2012 12:29:55 GMT -5
I like your character how they are, one or two things seem like they need to be tweaked. Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with them.
Sorry I didn't post sooner, I thought I did, but my computer must have screwed up or something.
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Post by Memai on Jan 8, 2012 12:52:09 GMT -5
Whatever your decision, my advice is that you rethink the abilities and attributes of your character a little bit more. If you suddenly find yourself giving your characters abilities or talents "just because", then you need to stop and back-track. Not all characters that get approved are 100% thought out fully, you can put up a half-finished character, then RP or write him out to get a better feel. That way, if you want to update or change the profile, you're more than welcome to.
Edit: Well, looking through this character, he's definitely based off Nick and there's nothing inherently special about him, but hopefully he'll be fleshed out a bit more when you write him some. There are improvements, however. Just as I said, fleshing out and all. Writing helps a LOT.
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Post by UnknownTerritory on Jan 8, 2012 13:26:58 GMT -5
When I uploaded Tony I didn't know shit about him. RPing him helped me develop him completely, and event he small things I have worked out.
But you said you wanted to start from scratch and honestly, he seems a lot if not exactly like Nick. The stats are exactly the same as Nick's.
A lot of things you put for Nick you put for Daniel. I understand you may like something, but you said you wanted to start a new character, start anew. All you really did was change his name.
I may seem like a cutthroat bitch by saying this, but it's truthful.
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Post by nick on Jan 8, 2012 14:00:08 GMT -5
I didn't have the inspiration to start completely anew. I changed the name, personality, much of the history, but the appearance and some other traits stayed the same. Now he isn't a genius (he's average or a little over average) but chess ability? You won't take it away.
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Post by UnknownTerritory on Jan 8, 2012 14:05:43 GMT -5
You said you started anew, but again, he's pretty much the same. I don't see much difference.
WHY is he so good at chess? Did he practice with his grandpapy? What? You can't just say "oh hes good at chess" without so much as a reason.
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Post by nick on Jan 8, 2012 14:16:37 GMT -5
Update.
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Post by UnknownTerritory on Jan 8, 2012 14:22:54 GMT -5
Did he peruse chess or something? You act like he's a chess prodigy when all his profile tells us is that he knows how to play it.
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